Ryan Wilson: Trading Marc-Andre Fleury Trading Marc-Andre Fleury

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Edit: RW I love ya but You to frolik is like me to hemsky. Stop pushing it. He isn't that great

If Schneider and Varly can each get a first at the time they were traded then Fleury can get a 1st. His regular season numbers were great and he is a 2 time Stanley cup champion plus gold medal winner

when you think of Murray as your starter next year just think of the faith and hope we had in Hedberg or Lalime... or more recently Andrew Hammond... This is all crazy talk to let an all star goalie go to keep an average goalie in Murray.

Unless someone is chomping at the bit to give us ridiculous value for Hornqvist I wouldn't do this. This is too big of a shake up for my taste and wouldn't give us that much useful cap flexibility. I get that Hornqvist isn't a very good 5v5 player, but I think he'd be a great compliment if Sid's LW were more skilled.

This proposal, IMO, is a case of fixing something that ain't broke.

Fleury isnt worth the 6th overall pick, Im there with you. But I dont like the idea of picking up Frolik in exchange for him. Good player and all but no thanks on that 4/$4.3M contract. Id rather get some kind of prospect & pick package and use the cap space to sign a UFA.

Id rather:
Fleury, 2nd + mid range prospect for #6.
Fleury for Calgary 2nd.

Important to remember also, while Murray was very solid for the Pens, he lost more games for the Pens than he won. The Pens team D made his job much easier than any other goalie in the playoffs. There is always the option of moving Murray and having Jarry develop for another couple years under Fleury. Not saying that is the right move but if someone blows your socks off you have to consider it.

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Edit: RW I love ya but You to frolik is like me to hemsky. Stop pushing it. He isn't that great

If Schneider and Varly can each get a first at the time they were traded then Fleury can get a 1st. His regular season numbers were great and he is a 2 time Stanley cup champion plus gold medal winner
- nh4442

If they can pry a first away when the other team knows they have limited options and no leverage, then Rutherford should be named a God.

By the way, which team is giving up their first-rounder for him? Calgary and the #6 overall? Winnipeg and the #2 overall? Buffalo and #8 overall? Like RW said, there aren't many suitors. Dallas might do it, but they won't be able to unload their goalies. MAYBE Toronto gives up the 30th overall, but that's all I can see.

Fleury isnt worth the 6th overall pick, Im there with you. But I dont like the idea of picking up Frolik in exchange for him. Good player and all but no thanks on that 4/$4.3M contract. Id rather get some kind of prospect & pick package and use the cap space to sign a UFA.

Id rather:
Fleury, 2nd + mid range prospect for #6.
Fleury for Calgary 2nd.

Important to remember also, while Murray was very solid for the Pens, he lost more games for the Pens than he won. The Pens team D made his job much easier than any other goalie in the playoffs. There is always the option of moving Murray and having Jarry develop for another couple years under Fleury. Not saying that is the right move but if someone blows your socks off you have to consider it.
- MacPatty

I agree, and would do Fleury for a Calgary second. However, if you feel that Fleury alone is worth a 2nd rounder, they your first deal is basically saying 2 2nd round picks (one of them being #61 overall) and a mid-range prospect for #6 overall. I don't think that's very enticing to Calgary.

Also, Ive said it before but I think Fleury is the perfect fit for Toronto. They need someone who has been proven to be solid throughout the regular season and who can carry the load at times. He would give the Leafs 3 years to find/develop their goalie of the future. Maybe the Pens can get back their 1st or more likely the first pick of the 2nd round.

I dont think Calgary has any reason to move Frolik. This is a ridiculously interesting offseason because of the rumored expansion rules.

Calgary is completely in the driver's seat along with the other teams that need goaltenders. Tampa needs to offload Bishop too. There are some old heads still occupying the GM spots in the NHL that may not realize it, but teams would actually be doing the Pens a favor by taking on their goalie with a NMC.

It could become a situation where these contracts are actually being unloaded onto teams. I cannot remember any offseason that shapes up to be such a buyers market for goaltenders.

I agree, and would do Fleury for a Calgary second. However, if you feel that Fleury alone is worth a 2nd rounder, they your first deal is basically saying 2 2nd round picks (one of them being #61 overall) and a mid-range prospect for #6 overall. I don't think that's very enticing to Calgary.
- jmatchett383

Right, I agree, so lets just say the deal involving a package for the #6 would be the high end, best possible return and straight up for their 2nd round pick would be the mid/low end return. Im not dumb enough to think I know all the pieces and values to trades, just like to throw out the basis of what a trade could possibly look like.

If they can pry a first away when the other team knows they have limited options and no leverage, then Rutherford should be named a God.

By the way, which team is giving up their first-rounder for him? Calgary and the #6 overall? Winnipeg and the #2 overall? Buffalo and #8 overall? Like RW said, there aren't many suitors. Dallas might do it, but they won't be able to unload their goalies. MAYBE Toronto gives up the 30th overall, but that's all I can see.
- jmatchett383

Doesn't Calgary have a lower 1st in the mid 20s? Florida's perhaps?

Anyways, you're definitely right in lack of suiters. Despite everyone swearing it, Buffalo and Edmonton are NOT in the market for a goalie. I'm sure Dallas would want one, but they'd have to unload Lehtonen who I think is pretty unmoveable. It's really only Calgary and Toronto that should be in the market for a goalie and I think Toronto would want to go with someone younger than Flower. I think Toronto goes for Andersen or resigns Reimer.

It might be Calgary or bust, which worries me.

Frolik has a puke worthy contract for an enigmatic guy who isn't any more of a top 6 lock than Rusty. I'd rather just let Fleury go in the expansion draft than take on a bad salary at a position that is pretty well stocked - they need a left winger much more than a right.

And there's literally no way Hornqvist gets traded. None. And why would they? He was a huge asset in the playoffs. Not just goals scored, but how many big goals did the Penguins score because he was screening the goalie? Three of Sheary's four goals featured a Hornqvist scree, IIRC.

Hornqvist > Frolik and it's not close.

Right, I agree, so lets just say the deal involving a package for the #6 would be the high end, best possible return and straight up for their 2nd round pick would be the mid/low end return. Im not dumb enough to think I know all the pieces and values to trades, just like to throw out the basis of what a trade could possibly look like.
- MacPatty

If you want to do a deal for the #6, I think it would include MAF, Pouliot, and probably Sprong as well. Calgary has on incentive to move the #6 pick unless they're blown away and overpaid, so you'd have to overpay. They won't do it for MAF and spare parts.

Still believe Flower starts the season in a Pens uniform. In saying that as I've said before I think JR is fine tuning a trade as we speak. Due to that I think Flower only gets a pick or 2 (not a first), & maybe, just maybe, JR squeaks out a prospect of sorts or a Sven B type of player.

Now if there's a contender with a starter that's injured (such as the Habs this season - remember their start to the season??), then that's a new ballgame next season before any trade is completed.

when you think of Murray as your starter next year just think of the faith and hope we had in Hedberg or Lalime... or more recently Andrew Hammond... This is all crazy talk to let an all star goalie go to keep an average goalie in Murray.
- vanhileman

There are several stats that supported the performance of the "one hit wonders" and the longevity of Matt Murray. Goalies do fluctuate YoY but there is nothing in Murray's history that suggests he was too much of a fluke and certainly projects to be at least an average NHL goalie over his career

Fleury isnt worth the 6th overall pick, Im there with you. But I dont like the idea of picking up Frolik in exchange for him. Good player and all but no thanks on that 4/$4.3M contract. Id rather get some kind of prospect & pick package and use the cap space to sign a UFA.

Id rather:
Fleury, 2nd + mid range prospect for #6.
Fleury for Calgary 2nd.

Important to remember also, while Murray was very solid for the Pens, he lost more games for the Pens than he won. The Pens team D made his job much easier than any other goalie in the playoffs. There is always the option of moving Murray and having Jarry develop for another couple years under Fleury. Not saying that is the right move but if someone blows your socks off you have to consider it.
- MacPatty

Sorry, your idea of Fleury, a second and a mid range pick for #6 overall won't fly for Calgary. There is zero incentive for them to even consider that. If Fleury is a second round pick alone, a mid range prospect (basically a pseudo non factor and one of our seconds - neither high) isn't good enough.

Still believe Flower starts the season in a Pens uniform. In saying that as I've said before I think JR is fine tuning a trade as we speak. Due to that I think Flower only gets a pick or 2 (not a first), & maybe, just maybe, JR squeaks out a prospect of sorts or a Sven B type of player.

Now if there's a contender with a starter that's injured (such as the Habs this season - remember their start to the season??), then that's a new ballgame next season before any trade is completed.
- Aussiepenguin

That would be a good move in case something were to happen to either goalie...but it is certainly more risky, and there will potentially be less teams that he would allow a trade to and/or could fit him under the cap at that time

What would the return on Murray fetch? Just curious if a team would pay much more for him being still a rookie and all.

What about the Ducks? Is Gibson that good? They have him and Anderson with Anderson being a RFA and Gibson on a cheap deal.

MAF+DP for VAT+2nd?

If you want to do a deal for the #6, I think it would include MAF, Pouliot, and probably Sprong as well. Calgary has on incentive to move the #6 pick unless they're blown away and overpaid, so you'd have to overpay. They won't do it for MAF and spare parts.
- jmatchett383

That is exactly what I'm thinking it takes to get #6 overall. Calgary really doesn't need Pouliot either. Spare parts and our backup goalie doesn't net you the #6 overall pick.

Doesn't Calgary have a lower 1st in the mid 20s? Florida's perhaps?

Anyways, you're definitely right in lack of suiters. Despite everyone swearing it, Buffalo and Edmonton are NOT in the market for a goalie. I'm sure Dallas would want one, but they'd have to unload Lehtonen who I think is pretty unmoveable. It's really only Calgary and Toronto that should be in the market for a goalie and I think Toronto would want to go with someone younger than Flower. I think Toronto goes for Andersen or resigns Reimer.

It might be Calgary or bust, which worries me.
- Victoro311

Nope, just the #6 overall.

Honestly, I think holding onto MAF right now isn't terrible. Suppose Matt Murray turns out to be the next Patrick Lalime or Jim Carey...then you're basically sunk for next year unless Zatkoff is the answer. Yes, you won't get much (if anything) at the TDL, but that basically makes him a full-season rental that you don't have to give up tangible assets for.

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Edit: RW I love ya but You to frolik is like me to hemsky. Stop pushing it. He isn't that great

If Schneider and Varly can each get a first at the time they were traded then Fleury can get a 1st. His regular season numbers were great and he is a 2 time Stanley cup champion plus gold medal winner
- nh4442

Take your goalie trade value comparisons and punt them off the 10th Street Bridge. They do not compare given the market for goalies this offseason and the need to offload Fleury before the expansion draft

It might be Calgary or bust, which worries me.
- Victoro311

It doesn't worry me at all - the worst case scenario is that they have Fleury and Murray next year, which is a luxury they can afford because they don't really need to spend any more money this offseason.

In fact, it's weird to me that they won a Cup because of goalie depth and youthful exuberance and then the offseason hits and we're in a big hurry to get rid of the goalie depth so we can acquire wastoid UFA replacements for the young guys that just played huge roles in that Cup win.

What would the return on Murray fetch? Just curious if a team would pay much more for him being still a rookie and all.

What about the Ducks? Is Gibson that good? They have him and Anderson with Anderson being a RFA and Gibson on a cheap deal.

MAF+DP for VAT+2nd?
- sammy87

Anaheim is in the same situation we're in. They're not going to trade for a goalie when they one too many already.

What would the return on Murray fetch? Just curious if a team would pay much more for him being still a rookie and all.

What about the Ducks? Is Gibson that good? They have him and Anderson with Anderson being a RFA and Gibson on a cheap deal.

MAF+DP for VAT+2nd?
- sammy87

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